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Scrapyard Bob
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:56:00 -
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On the mining barge/exhumer cargo bay issue. Please keep in mind the size of T1/T2 mining crystals and the need to carry both primary and spares for each ore type that you expect to find out in the belts.
For a Hulk, this typically means 3 "used" crystals and 3-4 "new" crystals for each type (usually 3-4 different ore types in a belt). With T1 crystals, this means a minimum of 6 x 3 x 30m3 (540 m3 total), with the upper end using T2 crystals this is 7 x 4 x 50 m3 (1400 m3).
And if you are an organized person, you usually keep the T2 crystals in Medium Standard Containers, one per ore type, which are 325m3 each and hold 7 T2 crystals. So for most cases, you'll be hauling (4) of those containers out to the belts so that you have the right selection of crystals as well as spares. That's 1300 m3 of cargo space needed for crystal storage.
Alternately - you could consider reducing the size of crystals to 10 m3 for T1 and 15 m3 for T2. Which would cut the above numbers by about 1/3. |
Scrapyard Bob
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:04:00 -
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T'san Manaan wrote:Peta Michalek wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:I wonder how many people are gonna complain about barges with battleship sized EHP, especially with large ore holds? I am sure there is going to be a tear or two over them.  It's really not much different from what we have now - if you maximize yield on a Hulk you have no defense, if you tank properly you lose yield. Not at all, they said they would have specialized ore holds. If i recall correctly the cargo hold expanders do not effect specialized holds only your normal cargo hold.
Which is something I would hope they are able to address. Cargo expansion should affect the specialized holds. That puts more of the decision into the player's hands of "do I want more cargo? more tank? more utility? more yield? etc".
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Scrapyard Bob
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Posted - 2012.06.14 16:49:00 -
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I don't think the T2 variants need to be quite that varied. They should keep their existing bonus specializations and be the best at doing that specialization.
Skiff - mercx mining
Mack - ice mining
Hulk - ore mining
It's not a problem that the Hulk is the best for mining ore. And I think that trying to shoehorn the other 2 T2 variants into also being suitable for ore mining to be a bit of a stretch. The primary issues:
Skiff - very specialized, has a very weak tank and hardly any PG. But it's also very specialized so I'm not sure this matters much. Could probably use 1-2 more mids and 1-2 more lows and a bit more PG.
Mack - weak tank. Biggest issue on the mack is the lack of power grid and missing out on low/mid slots. Even another 50-75 PG would be a huge boost if combined with 1-2 more lows and 1 more mid.
Hulk - weak power grid. Like the rest of the barges/exhumers, it uses medium sized rigs, is obviously a cruiser class, but has less power-grid then destroyers. Two more low slots and maybe 1 more mid slot and another 50-75 PG would have gone a long way towards fixing the Hulk.
The important thing in designing the new PG/CPU values, the slot layouts, etc is that you need to leave as much of the choice into the player's hands as possible. Give them more low slots so they can choose whether to fit more tank, more yield or more cargo as suits their tastes.
The orca is almost the best example of this. Because of the large amount of structure HP, you can outfit an orca to be a max-yield carrying beast but with a weak 80-90k EHP tank. Or you can go with a mid-level fit which trades away some cargo space in exchange for taking the EHP up to about 140k. Or you can sacrifice even more cargo space and get something in the 250-290k EHP range.
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Scrapyard Bob
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Posted - 2012.07.30 13:11:00 -
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If the barges/exhumers are going to see such a large increase in their ore bay, then the Orca needs its ore bay raised as well.
Orca - ore bay is currently 50k m3
That should be raised to at least 100k m3 and possibly into the 200k m3 range. |
Scrapyard Bob
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Posted - 2012.07.30 13:16:00 -
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Annie Freemont wrote:What was the reason why the hulk lost 500m3 from the capacity of 8000m3? The ship is the largest of the barges, yet only has 500m3 more capacity than the hull it comes from.
The bigger problem with the 500 m3 cargo bay is trying to carry T2 mining crystals, each of which is 50 m3.
The cargo bay sizes should be (# of strip miner slots x 500 m3) for each hull. That allows you to carry 9 or 10 T2 mining crystals for each strip miner, which gives you spares, alternate ore crystals.
Or cut the size of T2 mining crystals down to 10 or 15 m3 per unit instead of 50 m3. |
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